We’d like to address a particular idea that's circulating in Jewish/Zionist discourse over what “the day after” might look like in Gaza. Putting aside the fact we’re in the midst of an active war and that we still have hostages held captive in Gaza, many people are trying to imagine for themselves a “post-war Gaza”. The general idea goes like this:
Akin to Germany post-WWII, Gazans, under the supervision of Israel and/or a conglomerate of Arab states, could go through mass re-education to uproot the rot and brainwashing that Hamas has instilled in Gazans (as if Gazans never chose to participate in Jihadist ideology willingly). “Denazification worked in Germany, it can work here too!”. In theory, this process would eventually lead to a large proportion of Gazans living peacefully alongside or (G-d forbid) inside Israel. This silly idea has received so much unthoughtful and casual support that it’s actually made its way into the Israeli Knesset as well. Not that that’s impressive on its own; the Knesset is a regular shitshow more suitably watched as a daytime telenovela, but I digress. Let’s try and dissect why denazification of Gaza is both entirely impractical and ignorant of the relevant history.
Our frustration began with a series of clips coming out of Gaza showing some meager anti-Hamas protests. Hasbara Inc. has declared its support for these voices of so-called “civilians”, who not so long ago likely participated in aiding and/or otherwise celebrating the events of October 7th. The obsession to uplift and celebrate dissident Gazans has been a mainstay by pro-Israel advocacy for decades. This obsession stems from an insecure ethos that seeks peace at all costs with our Arab neighbors. Asserting that Gaza can never be a partner for peace is borderline heresy for the halls of Hasbara and reliably gets charged as a racist and reductionist take. Suggesting that a population transfer or even partial annexation raises the blood pressure of an Israel advocate™ to unhealthy levels. Although the tides have been slowly turning, many Zionists wrongly adopt a cultural relativist (tabula rasa) perspective, specifically that similar solutions from the past can be applied to all disparate peoples. A Liberal fantasy.
The first notion we’re tasked with is decoupling the ways in which the jihadism of Hamas and Nazism arrive at antisemitism. I totally understand the Jewish colloquial desire to label Hamasniks as “Nazis”, and Gazans do themselves no favor in differentiating themselves when they regularly uphold Nazi iconography and espouse support for Hitler, yimach shemo. However, let’s try to employ some high effort discourse and thought here. Nazism and jihadism are entirely different ideologies born out of completely different origins. Merely claiming that a “denazification” process can be applied to Gazans is tantamount to saying that open heart surgery can cure liver cancer. The worst part of this take is that it somehow manages to both completely misunderstand Nazism and Hamas at the same time, which leaves us entirely inert in approaching a solution with any semblance of practicality.
History is a well of knowledge for us to learn from and use as a guide for charting future paths. Let’s not disparage the inherent and innocent attempt to do that in suggesting “denazification” as a solution. In our view however, the lessons of history show the complete opposite of what the advocacy and influencer heads are saying. For clarity, going forward, “Nazis/Nazism” will be referring to the Germans of the 1930s-1940s. We do not seek to conflate the comparably feeble neo-nazism of our time with actual Nazis.
Conceptually, albeit Nazism and the jihadism of Hamas overlap when it comes to their bloodlust for Jews, they reach the same ends through entirely different means. Nazism is foundationally a conspiracy of conspiracies. It’s an ideology that’s built from an amalgamation of miscellaneous conspiracy theories, such as:
Race Science/Hierarchy - eugenics
Antisemitism - blood libels
Lebensraum
Führerprinzip
Volksgemeinschaft
Freemason Global Plot
Welteislehre
Hollow Earth Guidance
Lost Templar Secrets
Tibet as an Aryan Homeland
Elders of Zion (global Jewish kabal)
Etc…
This is only a small and incomprehensive list of conspiracies that form the foundation Nazism. As a small tangent, my favorite Nazi conspiracy is Welteislehre (World Ice Theory), which posits that basically everything in the universe is made of ice, except the sun. Additionally, many top-level Nazis were also enthralled with the supernatural and the occult. Witches, werewolves, vampires, and mythological tall tales were discussed with academic levels of reverence. The fascination and adoption of “occult sciences” by many high-ranking Nazis played a significant role in hindering German war efforts by diverting resources to purely nonsensical pursuits. Despite modern trad-caths, groypers, and other similar retards, reimagining Nazism as some sort of based vanguard of Christian belief, many actual Nazis immersed themselves in astrology, literal paganism, Indo-Aryan mythology, and witchcraft. The prevalence of all these pseudo-scientific ideas amongst Nazis showcases how flimsy and incoherent the ideology of Nazism really was.
For brevity, Nazi leaders genuinely viewed the Jews as omnipotent, supernatural monsters responsible for some deep evil against the German people. Nazism is a conspiracy to substantiate the evil Jews and the supremacy of Aryans. Having actually read long excerpts from Mein Kampf (I highly suggest Jews actually go read it), it’s beyond obvious that Hitler was some sort of insane paranoid narcissist that concocted grand conspiracies on the daily to cope with the deep failures of his own life. Despite it being attributed as a foundational text for Nazism, Mein Kampf is barely legible in its unceasing ranting and irrational twists. As a result, it is essential to recognize that Nazism itself really lacks a single dependable “origin”. Nazism is essentially tethered to nothing, which is why Nazism was so fluidly adaptable and moldable to become host to nearly any outlandish conspiracy. This is precisely why you’ll reliably find Hitler simps at Flat World Conferences and other similar pseudo-intellectual spaces. This is precisely why denazification was also a possibility in part, but we’ll get to that a bit later.
By stark contrast, Hamas’ ideology, although it has no shortage of retarded conspiracies to peddle to the Arab street, is rooted and flows from the beginnings of Islam and the Quran. Calling Hamas “radical extremists” is basically an insane misnomer. They’re loyal religious followers to the fundamentals of their faith expressed in a very short and very direct foundational text. When you hear Hamas officials or Gazan civilians speak, everything is routed back to being a Muslim and Jihad. Jihad is blowing yourself up just as much as it is aiding Hamas in the smallest of actions. Jihad can be political subversion just as much as it can be a bus bombing. No artifacts dug up showing Jewish presence in the land of Israel will ever convince them to agree with Jewish autonomy in Israel. Why? Islam expressly forbids relinquishing dominion of its conquered lands.
This discomforting truth causes a short-circuit for many non-observant Jews/Zionists who lack faith in G-d. They’d prefer to pretend that this entire conflict is some sort of real estate deal that’s gone horribly sideways. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hamas’ militantism is celebrated in part because Mohammad, a perfect model of man to be emulated, himself was a barbarian conqueror. Therefore subsequent Islamic civilizations mirror and venerate his warmongering brutality. The sadism, sexual deviance, and euphoric celebration of the 24 hours that began on the morning of October 7th are indeed reflections of the unique human capacity for evil, but it’s also directly attributable to the lessons of Islam. Regardless of how we may feel, Hamas and Gazans see themselves as spearhead warriors for Islam and their cause. Hamas gets bogged down to nationalist rhetoric as a consequence of history, but ideologically it's no different from ISIS in its ultimate desire to establish a global caliphate. We literally saw direct 1:1 ISIS behavior emulated on October 7th. Not only did Hamas execute random Israelis in the streets through beheadings but they were high on captagon, an ADD medication famously used by ISIS fighters. Not to mention the trove of ISIS flags and iconography adorned on and left by Hamas terrorists.
It can’t be emphasized enough how unlike Nazism, Hamas is but a contemporary arm of an enduring 1000+ year Islamist zeitgeist. There never was a longstanding “Nazi culture” in Germany before the Nazim rose to power. Germany, historically, was the collection of over 300 papal states that went through constant and turbulent episodes of overturning ideologies. Nazism didn’t forge the social fabric of Germany nor the German peoples in the centuries prior. Islam did do that for Arabia and its conquered lands. The levels of ideological obedience here are consequently very different. So no, denazification, merely from a historical point of view is an ignorant thing to suggest.
For what it’s worth, conspiracies that Palestinians believe in, to varying degrees, are the manifestation of their ideology but not the source of it. The conspiracies aren’t the foundation of their ideology, but are derivations of it. Examples include:
Israel controls the weather
Israel invented AIDS
Israel trains sharks and dolphins
Israel created ISIS
Israel causes earthquakes
Israel fabricates archeology
Israel funds drug trafficking
Israel experiments on prisoners
Israel poisons the water
Israel uses mind control technology
Israel steals Palestinian organs
These are just a few of the outlandish conspiracies that have come up within the past several decades. It’s noteworthy how one-dimensional and boring many of their conspiracies are, specifically that they see themselves as weaklings eternally trapped and victimized by the mighty Israel. At least the Nazis had entertainingly wild conspiracies that spin off into unending rabbit holes.
I see Hasbarist Zionists (many of whom aren’t religious) deny or distort the fundamental impact of religion within our conflict with Arabs, and even more so totally obfuscate the role that Islam plays in source for the violent jihad of Hamas. Perhaps acknowledging that Islam is what fuels Hamas isn’t popular with sensitive liberal boomer donors? Or maybe they legitimately, like most western liberals, cannot fathom the deep level of religious obedience on which Gazans operate. We’re really all just human after all. *cue John Lennon’s “Imagine” and die of cringe*. We will never defeat our enemy unless we understand their motivations and intentions, we are caught in a religious conflict against Hamas. By ignoring uncomfortable truths, we set ourselves up for failure.
Understanding now that Nazism and Hamas come from totally different roots, why would anyone now say we can denazify Hamas? Hamas aren’t Nazis, they’re Islamists. Well, why not teach Gazans a less radical Islam? Okay chud, let’s spend less time fantasizing about some contrived abstract bullshit that’s likely coming from someone who’s spent less than an hour in sum reading about Islam and engaging with Muslims about it. Perceivably, there are more normalized expressions of Islam that don't highlight suicide bombing as a preferable method of daily Jihad, but even those sectors still overwhelmingly sympathize with Hamas.
People who think like this aren’t serious, they’re clowns. In the case of Gaza, the past 4-5+ generations have been exposed to a deluge of endless jihadist ideology, there’s no reversing the jihadist indoctrination.
The other laughable oversight here is that the “denazification” crowd conveniently looks past the fact that Nazism arose in German society, a society which for its time, was perhaps the most advanced in industry, science, arts, medicine etc. Germany before Hitler’s rise wasn’t a backwards dump like Gaza, rather it was one of the forefronts of Western civilization. Just before the rise of Nazis, it was relatively one of the better places on Earth despite even the conditions set in the Treaty of Versailles. Gaza, by contrast, is a hodgepodge of religious zealots and consanguine cousins which exists to be a thorn to Israel and as a pawn for Iran. Among the great Gazan scientific achievements is painting a donkey to look like a zebra. We’re literally not even kidding.
As said before, Germans were amenable to be dissuaded of Nazism because Nazism didn’t have deep roots in German society to begin with. The Nazis themselves had to go through a process of converting Germany itself into a Nazi state (called Gleichschaltung), because Nazism itself was something “foreign” to the German people, and therefore a campaign of Nazification had to be launched in order to engineer Nazism into German society. The reason that the Nazis even had a Minister of Propaganda (Joseph Goebbels) is because Nazism had to be “propagandized”. There is no history of Germans being Nazis for 1000+ years prior to the 1930s, nobody’s German grandfather from the 1800s was a Nazi. He might have been an anti-semite for entirely different reasons, but great-grandpa Hans wasn’t a Nazi. In direct contrast, little convincing was needed for Gazans to appoint Hamas and cheer them on. They won the first supervised UN election and have held onto that power by popular support ever since. Nearly every Gazan’s ancestor was a Muslim (Rudy PBUH is seething somewhere over this sentence), and arguably antisemitism has been prevalent amongst Muslims since before the Mamluks came to the land. The seed of Nazism barely sprouted in Germany before its own total downfall, whereas the ideology of warring jihad is foundational to the Muslims of Gaza. This isn’t apples to oranges, it’s a pickle to a cupcake.
Here’s the other big problem with the German solution for Gaza: denazification only came after the total defeat, obliteration and surrender of Germany. Though Germany wasn’t nuked like Japan, its society was left in ruin. It existed at the total mercy of outside allied powers. The grand predictions of a 1000 year Reich, and Aryan supremacy were demonstrably proven false to Germans by virtue of the Nazis losing the war and losing it big time. Gaza, and Hamas are far from such a reality. Yes, we’ve destroyed a lot of Gazan infrastructure and killed many Hamas terrorists but take a look at the opinion polls of Gaza. Hamas still enjoys the lion's share of support both in Gaza and the West Bank. Street markets in Rafah are filled with food and Gazan content creators are back to filming themselves making lavish meals. Do you really want denazification? Let's finish the first step first in breaking Gaza and Hamas.
Even in the war since Oct 7th, Gazans haven’t experienced the same sort of humiliation and defeat of their ideology compared to the Nazis. The ongoing war with Israel itself undermines any potential for an ideological overhaul. Simply living on to fight another day against a vastly superior opponent is a victory for Gaza. Obviously the power dynamics and context is very different, but the point is that Gazans haven’t felt enough defeat to repent, and the entrenched jihadist ideology amongst Gazans arguably makes them a more challenging enemy than the Germans were. The more Gazans lose and suffer the more victorious they feel. Unlike the bombing of Gaza, Germans didn’t see the bombing of Dresden as a sign that they’re winning. The only sliver of hope seen thus far at humiliating Hamas has been President Trump’s explicit desires to see a mass population transfer. Making Egypt, Jordan and the ummah pay their due share for egging on Palestinians for decades whilst giving Israel secuirty control over the land is precisely the language in which the Middle East talks. Dunam Diplomacy: Start shit and lose land, the equation here is tried, true, and simple.
Denazification was also a multi-year effort in a relatively controlled post-war environment. This could never be the case in Gaza. Hamas foments ideological fever through grassroots networks in mosques and clan-ties, not just formal propaganda in the media or in the classroom. (Notably the proliferation of the internet in Gaza also makes denazification a fantasy.) Unlike Nazi party membership, which could be tracked and dismantled, Hamas’ organic support base is harder to uproot since Arab culture emphasizes steadfastness (sumud) against adversity. A denazification-style intervention would be perceived as an attempt to erase this societal resilience, thereby strengthening rather than weakening jihadist ideologies. Another overlooked fact is that the median age of Gaza is 18, historical demographers suggest Germany’s median age in 1945 was double at approximately 37. Suffice to say it’s much easier to have a rational discussion with someone in their late 30s than teenagers who’s been indoctrinated by Hamas since pre-school.
People who espouse this German “solution” to Gaza either are just communicating this idea in passing without much critical thought or are trying to cope with the reality of possible population transfer. Both are unfortunately cringe, though not unforgivable. There have been some recent studies which partially laud de-radicalization through education programs, but even so, the results are limited, inconclusive, and often counterproductive. It’s a nascent field, not without its due respect, that admits of itself that it cannot be the sole solution and must be paired with counter-terrorism operations. In most global case studies, whether it be Bangladesh, Jordan or Indonesia, the equation is for a new authoritarian to essentially round up extremists, put them in some hole and attempt to re-educate the remaining population. It's mostly futile. Another gaping problem with deradicalization in Gaza is that no real institution even seems equipped to administer it. The UN has filled this void in other sectors of the world like Somalia with limited results but I sincerely doubt any of you reading this would even fathom a world wherein we’d be okay with giving the UN any authority, especially after the revelations of how entrenched Hamas was in UNRWA. The problem is that for deradicalization to actually take root, the embedded populations have to be receptive to change. I don’t see Gazans partaking some new massive collective shift. Media of some tiny protest, a couple thousand at best, isn’t an indicator of anything other than that people are upset that the aid shipments have stopped coming in. The only anti-Hamas protest that would have any significance is if Gaza’s somehow decided to ravage Hamas militants and bring out the hostages themselves. We’ve seen popular Arab uprisings, riots and revolutions before. This recent Gazan march was entirely underwhelming by comparison. Far too often, this conflict is spoken about in lofty abstract terms without considering the practical realities. Deradicalization, to me, seems to still exist at this far-fetched stage of loftiness.
The German solution for denazification in Gaza will not work because Gazans aren’t Germans. Everything said above can also be equally applied to those thinking they’re playing 5d chess in saying Gazans are more comparable to the Japanese in WW2. All that they know about the Japanese is that kamikazes flew into American Navy vessels at Pearl Harbor. Sepukku is the same as Jihad, trust me bro. Enough with all this khara, Gazans are Gazan, stop coping. The cold truth is that Gaza is a backwards society that produces nothing useful and has always existed on the charity of other nations including Israel, the US, the EU and a conglomerate of Arab nations. “Denazifying” Gaza is a futile exercise and a suggestion borne out of laziness and the unwillingness to face cold hard realities. It’s time to grow up and end the experiment, it failed.
- Autistic Ashki and Lawless Levite
Oh, come on, think bigger. Imagine the possibilities. One million Gazans are under age 18. All we need to do is for the Israeli Ministry of Education to produce 33,000 illiterate freha teachers and assign one to every 30 Gazan children, with combat enablers standing by to provide Ritalin. In 10 years, the Gazans will be incapable of fighting or doing anything else useful.
Excellent essay.
Regarding the Nazis and their pseudo religions and pseudo everything else they also cooked up their own Mekka called the Wewelsburg.
This castle was going to be a pilgrimage site for every Nazi and German to which one should make a pilgrimage . The castle was dedicated to the SS and detailed plans had been drawn to build a city around this random rural castle with roads radiating out into the Third Reich.
Today it is a fascinating museum with an exhibition of top notch SS branded daily objects. These objects had the SS runes on them, such as napkin rings, a telephone, cutlery , porcelain for eating, finger rings etc.
The castle also has a large vaulted hall with more Nazi symbolism and it was going to be the center piece where SS knights would be worshipped. Like a temple.
The site was brought up to then modern standards by the prisoners of a close by concentration camp.
The pseudo scientific research the Nazis came up with , like measuring people’s noses and heads to prove what ever, so do many of the Arab elite believe that Jews are satan.
Shiites also believe in their own Armageddon , like the Christians. Sam Harris has a great podcast on this aspect of Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wewelsburg?wprov=sfti1
https://www.wewelsburg.de/en/gedenkstaette-1933-1945/